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Ancestry.com Doesn’t Want Anyone Else Telling You We Come from Ancient Aliens

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For 15 years, UFO enthusiast John Greenewald has been collecting material related to the US military’s Project Blue Book investigation into unidentified flying objects and publishing it online through his website, The ​Black Vault.

But last week, he was forced to remove hundreds of thousands of decla​ssified records due to a copyright claim from an unlikely source: the genealogy site Ancestry.com.

Ancestry.com’s subsidiary Fold3 has digitized the publicly available records, which are mostly things like letters describing UFO sightings (including drawings on occasion); the standard questionnaire the Air Force sent in response; and any conclusions the military could draw; and made them available on its website for browsing.

The company claimed that it therefore owned the digital reproductions of the records, and that Greenewald’s site was infringing on its copyright by publishing the materials, according to a statement from Gr​eenewald. (He did not return a request for comment.)

Despite the infringement notice that referred specifically to the Dig​ital Millennium Copyright Act, the company doesn’t believe this is a copyright issue. “It’s about electronic theft,” Ancestry.com spokeswoman Heather Erickson told Motherboard. “[Greenewald] can go over to the national archives and digitize the records, but he used our copies. We asked him to take them down, it’s a permissions issue.”

Greenewald acknowledged that he was using images scraped from Fold3’s document trove, but also said that his collection of records included materials that are unavailable anywhere else—none of which are available on his site now (although many are on Fold3’s).

But, after talking to an attorney with experience with the often complex and murky realm of copyright claims, it doesn’t sound like Ancestry’s DMCA claim is legally sound. Basically, since the Project Blue Book materials aren’t copyrighted, simply reproducing them in another format—as in digitizing them—isn’t enough to be considered a new creative work, which would be protected by copyright laws.

“If we’re talking about images created by third parties, and Ancestry.com hasn’t received an assignment or exclusive license of the copyrights in those images, then it’s hard to see the basis of a copyright claim,” attorney ​Hank Burgoyne​ told me over email. “The fact that these images are available in a public archive concerning a topic of widespread public interest would make any copyright claim that much more dubious.”

Burgoyne added that absent a copyright claim, Ancestry.com could bring legal action against Greenewald and The Black Vault for violating the company’s terms and conditions. But, the lawyer said that such cases aren’t as strong.

One of the documents from Project Blue Book.


One of the documents from Project Blue Book.


Project Blue Book was a US Air Force program that systematically and scientifically analyzed UFO reports to determine whether they posed a national security risk—such as a new kind of Soviet spy plane—or were aliens actually visiting Earth.

Running from 1952 until 1970, the the Air Force researchers examined 10,147 UFO reports, and determined the origin of 9,501 to be mostly astrological phenomena, satellites, and radar glitches. The remaining 646 reports didn’t have enough information to conduct a thorough analysis. The Air Force didn’t find any aliens, according to the p​roject documents.

In any event, The Black Vault—which hosts over a million additional declassified government documents—won’t be publishing Blue Book materials in the near future. If you’re curious about UFOs, and how the military handled sightings, you’ll have to head over to F​old3 for now.


Source motherboard.vice.com

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To be true not all of us


What an awesome pic. Wish it was really like that on our planet. Maybe one day we can get back our lost knowledge and make this a better world. It sad Republicans have gotten so weird. They never use to be against science. Hoping for a better tomorrow.


Mormon, not Norman…..The Norman Bates religious society.


Thats a typo site that looks like it doesn’t get much traffic anyway. Never new the Mormons owned it. I have as much time for them as I do the Catholics.


The Mormans own anscestry.com. They believe they can pray over all the dead to Mormonize them. There is no explaining their beliefs. The Norman bates thing was a silly add on.




Ancestry. Com is a Norman run site. They want everyone’s records cuz they think they can turn us Morman after we die. That is a fact.


That exactly how I feel. “God” is made up of possibly several alien species, I believe. Nice to talk to a true believer. (Not a belieber!!)


Thy can believe what they want, I guess. Doesn’t make it any more real…


They get all the records of everyone and they actually pray over the records of the people. Morman’s believe they can do this, I can’t explain why they believe that.


Of coarse it doesn’t make sense. It’s religion!!!! Lol


Still makes no sense.


I’ve already figured that out.