Grey Aliens: Where are they from?

About the Greys

First, I will stop referring to the grey skinned, short alien as a “Zeta”. The name was derived from the starmap shown to Betty Hill during her abduction which was later believed to show the star system Zeta Reticuli. Betty has vehemently denied that her encounter was with this type of being.

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Almost everything that we know about the Greys comes from people who have been abducted by them, or with their help. Some of this information is from hypnosis therapy, but a good deal of it is from actual memories.

Although there have been over 50 different kinds of aliens reported and cataloged in abduction scenarios, the Greys have been the most common since about 1980. Greys have been witnessed working with almost all of the other species. They are usually the beings that do the actual abduction, moving their victims to locations where the other types of aliens perform tests and conduct interviews.

Greys are about 4 to 4 1/2 feet tall, have no hair, unusually large heads (especially the cranium) and Grey Aliens: Where are they from?pointed jaws. Their mouths are very small and seldom move. Their noses are either extremely small by human comparison or completely missing, with two small holes showing. But perhaps the signature feature of Greys are their two large, almond shaped, black eyes.

People always remark that the body of Greys is extremely thin. They appear to have no striated muscles on their arms or legs. Their necks are so thin that it is often remarked that they shouldn’t support such a large head, yet they do. Their arms are longer than humans, ending below their knees, and they have hands with only four fingers of differing lengths.

The physical descriptions of Greys is always consistent when recalled by abductees. They also report that Greys are capable of limited telepathic communication — mostly reassuring their victims that “Everything will be fine”. They seem able to put humans into a trance by staring at them and it is often reported that “they read my soul”, referring to their ability to scan the mind of their victims.

You will notice that I am using the word “victims” here, since the abductees are most often taken against their will, traumatized by painful examinations and surgical procedures, and left with mental and physical damage. Indeed, their reassurance that everything will be “fine” is the first of many deceptions.

Have YOU been abducted?

You might think this is a foolish question but it’s not. A recent survey conducted by the Roper Organization asked American subjects certain questions designed to reveal abductees. Their results showed that, back in 1998, 1 of every 50 subjects had experienced an alien abduction. Typically, abductions are on-going and often begin in childhood.

According to Dr. Karla Turner, who has worked with over 400 abduction cases and has written the book “Into the Fringe”, the abduction phenomena includes some of the following details:

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?

  • Aliens, especially Greys, can alter our perceptions of our surroundings. They can create a kind of “virtual reality” in our mind and can appear to us any number of guises and shapes. Perhaps the mental “scanning” is used to select imagery to calm the victims and substitute memories of the abduction. They can be present with us in an invisible state and can make themselves only partially visible by this same ability.
  • Abductees receive marks on their bodies. Scoops of flesh are mysteriously missing and straight-line scars sometimes appear on victims’ bodies. Other marks include single punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four fingered claw marks, and trangles of every possible sort.
  • Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to hysterectomies.
  • Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are performed — even on young children — and unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.
  • Abductees report being taken to underground facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with parts of bodies. Other abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being drained of blood, mutilated, flayed, dismembered, and stacked like cords of wood. Some abductees have been threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they don’t co-operate with their alien captors.
  • Aliens have forced their human abductees to have sexual intercourse with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, Blessed Mary, the Pope, certain celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees. The Grey’s ability to scan our minds allows them to assess our vulnerabilities and customize the abduction experience.
  • Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and destruction. They say that a certain number of humans will be “rescued” from the planet in order to continue the species, either on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over. Many abductees report they don’t believe their alien captors and foresee instead a much more sinister use of the “rescued” humans.
  • Many alien prophesies to contactees of the 50’s and even today have failed to come true or appear to be outright lies. Many contactees and abductees today are again delivering warnings of coming earth changes and disasters along with promises of help from aliens. They feel “choosen” to deliver these messages to mankind. Again the Grey’s know their vulnerable egos can compel their cooperation. The prophesies often create false hope and dependancy on their abductors whom they know little about.

“I’ve come away from this experience convinced of one thing: if there aren’t demons out there, there might as well be, because these guys are indistinguishable from demons. Indistinguishable. To see them, to look into their eyes, is to be less — forever…”
— Whitley Strieber (MUFON Journal, Sept. 93)

Good and Bad Greys

OK. That’s pretty bad stuff — and very frightening. But it gets worse. So let’s get all the bad stuff out in the open before we explore the good side of Greys. The following is a well known conspiracy theory about a secret base where humans (military) and Greys work together. Apparently the Greys have the upper hand as you will see in this eye-witness account of what happened when their secret underground dwelling was accidentally disturbed.

 

 

Theories depicting Greys as evil

 

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?Phil Schneider, one of three people to survive the 1979 fire fight between the large Greys, US intelligence and military at the Dulce underground base, was found dead January 1996, due to what appears to be an execution style murder. He was found dead in his apartment with a piano wire wrapped around his neck. According to sources, it appeared that he repeatedly suffered torture before he was finally killed. Seven months prior to his death , Schneider did a lecture on the forces he had discovered at Dulce.Here is his story:

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?Back in 1954, under the Eisenhower administration, the federal government decided to circumvent the Constitution of the United States and form a treaty with alien entities. It was called the 1954 Grenada Treaty, which basically made the agreement that the aliens involved could take a few cows and test their implanting techniques on a few human beings, but that they had to give details about the people involved. Slowly, the aliens altered the bargain until they decided they wouldn’t abide by it at all. Back in 1979, this was the reality, and the fire-fight at Dulce occurred quite by accident.

“I was involved in building an addition to the deep underground military base at Dulce, which is probably the deepest base. It goes down seven levels and over 2.5 miles deep. At that particular time, we had drilled four distinct holes in the desert, and we were going to link them together and blow out large sections at a time. My job was to go down the holes and check the rock samples, and recommend the explosive to deal with the particular rock. As I was headed down there, we found ourselves amidst a large cavern that was full of outer-space aliens, otherwise known as large Greys. I shot two of them. At that time, there were 30 people down there. About 40 more came down after this started, and all of them got killed. We had surprised a whole underground base of existing aliens. Later, we found out that they had been living on our planet for a long time, perhaps a million years. This could explain a lot of what is behind the theory of ancient astronauts.

“Anyway, I got shot in the chest with one of their weapons, which was a box on their body, that blew a hole in me and gave me a nasty dose of cobalt radiation. I have had cancer because of that.

“I didn’t get really interested in UFO technology until I started work at Area 51, north of Las Vegas. After about two years recuperating after the 1979 incident, I went back to work for Morrison and Knudson, EG&G and other companies. At Area 51, they were testing all kinds of peculiar spacecraft. How many people here are familiar with Bob Lazar’s story? Grey Aliens: Where are they from?He was a physicist working at Area 51 trying to decipher the propulsion factor in some of these craft.

 

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?
Dulce Base — under Mt. Archuleta, Dulce, New Mexico. Located close to the Colorado border and situated on the Jicarella Apache Indian Reservation. The town of Dulce is located off U.S. Route 64 population 900-1,700. A small town with one motel and a gas station. The base is located 2.5 miles northwest of Dulce and almost overlooks the town. Joint CIA-Alien base. 95 miles northwest of Los Alamos. Biogenetics Laboratory including but not limited to: Atomic Manipulation, cloning, studies of the human aura, advanced mind control applications, animal/human crossbreeding, visual and audio human chip implantation, abduction and feeding off of humans including children.

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?The Second Largest Reptilian and Grey Base in North America. The Central Hub.

*1st Level – contains the garage for Street Maintenance.

*2nd Level- contains the garage for trains, shuttles, tunnel-boring machines and UFO maintenance.

*3rd Level – the first 3 levels contain government offices.

*4th Level – Human Aura Research as well as aspects of Dream Manipulation, Hypnosis, and Telepathy. They can lower your heartbeat with Delta Waves and introduce data and programmed reactions into your mind (for those implanted with brain chips). Most people already are, they just don’t know it.

*5th Level – witnesses have described huge vats with amber liquid with parts of human bodies being stirred inside. Rows and rows of cages holding men, women and children — some believe to be used as food. Perhaps thousands.

*6th Level — privately called “Nightmare Hall.” It contains the genetic labs. Here are where the crossbreeding experiments of human/animal are done on fish, seals, birds, and mice that are vastly altered from their original forms. There are multi-armed and multi-legged humans and several cages and vats of humanoid bat-like creatures up to 7 feet tall.

*7th level – Row after row of 1,000s of humans in cold storage including children.

[thanks to http://www.orgoneblasters.com/joint-bases.htm]

We have no way of knowing if the accounts of Grey activity at Dulce, New Mexico are true. Even the local people are a bit paranoid about what lies under the nearby mountains. Strange lights are often seen and some ranchers have reported seeing steam coming from air vents in the valleys. It’s almost sure that something is under the earth — but whatever it is must be very secret.

Harvesting Souls?

Nigel Kerner has written books describing the Greys as a race of biologic robots, created long ago by some superior civilization that they outlived. Although they are self-aware, Greys are like the Tin Man in the Wizzard of Oz — only instad of a heart, Greys need our souls. Kerner describes the abduction phenomenon in terms of a “Harvest” where potential human candidates are examined and nurtured for that moment when they will have their spirit essence transferred to a waiting Grey.

This theory has some interesting support from social scientists who open our eyes to cultural trends that can only be described as pure “evil.” The widespread introduction of materialism, free pornography and secularism seem to have no other reward but to destroy personal integrity and morality. Poverty also enslaves the population and destroys the family structure. All these trends diminish our spiritual strength making our souls vulnerable and ripe for the harvest. And all these cultural shifts could well be the fruit of abductions and implanted ideologies.

As crazy as these theories sound, the abduction phenomenon is itself crazy, but very real. We should not easily dismiss the association of Greys with the underworld, decpetion and evil. “By way of deception thou shall do war.”

Next up… the other side of Greys

Next we’ll take a look at the side of Greys that some people consider beneficial to humans. We’ll see how they interact with some people to reveal future events and help our species. We’ll also see that all Greys are not alike. And some Greys are trying to correct the harm that has been inflicted on humans by their own race.

After the horrific stories of what humans have endured, and continue to endure in abductions, it seems an uphill battle to portray the Greys as benevolent and altruistic. Yet that is what many people believe. Their argument deserves consideration but requires a serious upgrade in our concept of good intentions and wise intervention.

Us and Them

Let’s get off planet Earth for a moment and consider the unimaginable vastness of the universe and its possibilities. Countless inhabited planets have evolved with intelligent life capable of technologies and philosophies that are thousands, millions or even billions of years ahead of what we understand. In this scenario we, humans, are part of the mix. We too are aliens.

While an extrateresstrial species visiting our planet must have the prerequisite understanding of the “big picture”, we don’t yet have this. In fact, we are still debating whether there is life anywhere else. Our experience with other species is limited to our interactions with the human, animal, plant and marine life on Earth, which we have routinely exploited.

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?Although diverse, the universe appears to have laws and patterns. Undoubtedly, intelligent beings have a pattern of evolution that can be recognized by beings who are familiar with, and have studied, a variety of inhabited worlds. The challenges faced by homo sapiens sapiens are likely not unique and extraterrestrial observers can assess our progress and pitfalls with some objectivity.

One of the “laws” of nature is that progress is the result of trial and error. Error is important — it is the great teacher. Once burnt, twice as shy. And so the concept of the Prime Directive, as introduced by Roddenberry’s Star Trek series, is valid.

This is perhaps the reason Greys do not stop wars, plagues, over population, pollution or famines. Like children, we must learn our lessons the hard way. Their apparent indifference does not justify our perception of evil intent.

But what about the abductions? Can we justify them?

Microcosm and Macrocosm

One of the reasons that the prime directive was instituted was to prevent evolving civilizations from obtaining technologies that outpaced their culture. Giving young children handguns is a recipe for a catastrophe. Our own tribal and warfare culture is experiencing this with the recent discovery of atomic fission.

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?What is true on Earth is also true in the universe. Unless a civilization has reached some type of peaceful wisdom or moral spirituality, interplanetary travel will bring with it those same unresolved competitive and exploitive traits. We should expect to see these same traits in some of our encounters with extraterrestrial visitors. But again, this pattern should be known and some aliens will likely try to prevent our exploitation.

I guess I am trying to paint a picture of “good” and “bad” encounters that are possible and likely have happened to us in our history. To some aliens we are seen as interesting and potentially good creatures, worthy of respect. To others we are seen as cattle. The nature of the abduction experience can thus be varied.

Greys seem to be both good and bad. This has led some to believe that they are at conflict with themselves. Abductees speak of “service to self” Greys as the bad ones and “service to others” as the good Greys. This apparent split in ideology came about in the 1980s. It is believed that the “service to self” Greys had either threatened or offered technology to the governments and military in return for their unhindered molestation of humanity and that certain “service to others” Greys revolted, forming their own camp.

Zeta Talk

The split in ideologies with Greys happened after Dr. Karla Turner’s documentation of the horrific alien abductions. Her descriptions led one to believe that the Greys were custodians or shepherds of human beings, allowing other malevolent aliens to have their way with us. Indeed Greys do appear to be the stewards of the planet. They have apparently been here a long time and have messed with us continuously.

The “service to others” Greys are a more recent phenomenon. These beings supposedly speak through selected humans, giving messages about peace, the environment and planetary change. Unfortunately, their method of communication with the public is distorted by the messengers and is greatly diluted.

 

Grey Aliens: Where are they from?A case in point is Nancy Leider [right] who runs a website called www.zetatalk.com and which claims to publish messages (called “nings”) from the good Greys, who she calls Zetas. According to her biography:

Nancy became aware of her contactee status in 1993, and the potential for being a communicator of the Zeta message, in the midst of a full life with a family and a full time job. As a contactee, Nancy participated in the hybrid program, and met one of her hybrid children. In preparation for her communicator role, Nancy was given life form introductions and introduced to MJ12 at an early age. Nancy expends her retirement time and money on getting the ZetaTalk message out. Requests for interviews take top priority. She quit a professional job in California in 1999 to move to Wisconsin to walk the talk. Born in Wisconsin, Nancy returned to her grandparent’s homestead, where she first met the Zetas in the woods as a young girl. There, she gardens, saves seed, raises chickens, and tries to be an example of how people should prepare for the coming changes. As the ZetaTalk message is threatening to the establishment, who fear the populace will panic, Nancy deals with a lot of flack.

The main theme of the Zetas who communicate with Nancy is that the planet is about to experience a pole shift where the crust of the Earth will slide over the mantle, taking with it the oceans and continents. Initially earthquakes and extreme tsunamis will cull the human population and establish new climates. The Zetas give detailed maps and information on the best places to survive and how to prepare for this imminent change.

The Zetas (Greys) seem intelligent, well versed in science and caring about the human population, but their track record was tarnished when, back in 2003, they had predicted the same events. Many people who followed Nancy’s revelations suffered financially and socially as they charged up their credit cards and made life decisions based on the end of the world as we know it.

Roughly a week before the pole shift, Lieder appeared on KROQ radio in Los Angeles, and advised listeners to euthanize their pets in anticipation of the event. When asked if she had done so, she replied that she had, and that “The puppies are in a happy place.”

After the 2003 date passed without incident, Lieder said that it was merely a “White Lie … to fool the establishment,” and that to disclose the true date would give those in power enough time to declare martial law and trap people in cities during the shift, leading to their deaths.

Are you confused yet? Like 2003, the current ZetaTalk predictions are intimately mixed with the mysterious planet-x, described by Zecharia Sitchin as nibiru which has entered our solar system on its 3600 year orbit. It is the gravitational pull of this rogue planet that will trigger the pole shift. All this is according to the Zetas with whom Nancy converses on a regular basis.

Here is one of Nancy’s videos describing planet-x, courtesy of YouTube:

Zecharia Sitchin denies any connection between his work and Lieder’s claims. In 2007, partly in response to Lieder’s proclamations, Sitchin published a book, The End of Days, which set the time for the last passing of Nibiru by Earth at 556 BC, which would mean, given the object’s supposed 3,600 year orbit, it would return sometime around AD 2900.

Here is another video describing alien visitors to earth:

Recently (December, 2010) the Zetas have been predicting (through Nancy) that the Indonesian tectonic plate is going to slide under the Australian plate, causing a disaster to the entire Pacific rim. Referred to as the “7 of 10 event”, this has been predicted to happen before 2011. People who follow Nancy and the Zeta’s messages are preparing — some making dramatic changes in their lives in preparation for this monumental catastrophe which will begin the “end of days” for planet Earth.

As we near the event I cannot help but wonder what will happen if it doesn’t happen?. So I asked Nancy about this. I really didn’t expect a reply but I got one! So I will give her credit for not hiding from scrutiny, like many false prophets and alleged “contactees.”

Nancy is a regular person. She makes no money from what she does and seems to me, at least, to be sincere in her beliefs that the Zetas (Greys) communicate with her. Anyway, here is her response:

I’ve been involved with the Zetas all my life, and per them was a contactee in past lives too. They and I know each other well. People ask me how I know they are good in their intentions. I respond by asking how they know their mother loves them. There are a thousand ways, but basically, you judge people by their actions. There is more than just words that come across, the message, the concept from the Zetas and my putting English to it. We interact on many fronts, conduct joint missions, negotiate with MJ12 in the past, meet groups of other contactees and plan for the future. I’ve watched the body of ZetaTalk grow over the past 15 years, since 1995 when it started, been ridiculed in 1995 when there was little evidence of Planet X inbound, and know full well the impact of these words on people’s lives.I am chided by people saying that my message is one of fear, that I am scaring people. My standard statement is: would you fail to warn someone that a Mack truck was bearing down on them, on the highway, because it is a scary message? The outcome is squashed people on the highway or getting the message early and moving out of the way. My focus is not on the adults who change their lives, but on the small children who will despite my attempts to warn the world be left alone, because their parents have either died or more likely gone insane or abandoned them. Imagine a toddler standing over the body of his dead mother, broken arm dangling at his side, crying at the dark night around him.

I myself have been personally impacted by heeding the message. I had a perfect marriage to a soul mate for 20 years, our palm prints identical, our biorhythms so close the charts could be overlaid over each other, and he failed to come to Wisconsin with me when I moved off the San Andreas in 1999. Now divorced for a decade, though neither of us dates. It was not incompatibility that ended the marriage, but his reluctance to be in the middle of a battle, as ZetaTalk is a battle. My description is that I have gone to war and am not coming back. I’m in for the duration and the Zetas expect any human working with them to be as serious about the missions as they are. Shoulder to shoulder, against the forces of ignorance and deliberate disinformation thrown at the public. In my view, those who distort the facts and fail to alert the public are putting that toddler and his mother in harms way, and I feel no sympathy with the cover-up.

In 2003, when we had tracked Planet X inbound since observatory sightings in 2001, I fully expected a passage as the Zetas had predicted. It arrived, on schedule and where the Zetas predicted it would be seen in the evening sky, but did not pass. I had run every credit card my income working as a consultant in the San Francisco area would allow me to hold up to the limit. There I was not yet able to collect social security with a crushing debt load. Yes, I realize that their prediction about the ‘7 of 10’ happening before the end of 2010 could go amuck. But as in 2003 when Planet X was being tracked so clearly on the trajectory the Zetas had given, the signs in Indonesia and S American and now Africa that these first three scenarios along the Earth’s equator will occur are so clear. The plates are loosened up, and moving, just as predicted by the Zetas and others in November, 2009.

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I’m not sure what we can make of these kinds of interactions. Wikipedia has a list of over 40 alien contactees who have, over the years, given various predictions and information designed to save humanity. So far, the Greys track record has been abysmal. Yet each contactee apparently was sincere and took up the role of messenger with little financial reward. Many were also subjected to great ridicule, nevertheless, it seems they truly believed in the reality of their their abductions and special status.

We can only wonder why Greys — even good Greys — would treat their human associates with such disdain. Are they really good? Or is the whole idea about “service to others” just another deception?

Dr. Karla Turner reminds us that the Greys first claimed the abductions were to regenerate their dying species. Later they were to uplift our human species. Now they are sorry for their callous treatment and want to help us escape planetary disaster. Yet the horrific abductions and deception continues.

For now, the answer to the question of their origin remains a mystery. But their new residence is surely our planet. We can only hope that they intend to share this world with us and that they don’t have a more sinister agenda.

What are YOUR thoughts on this?

 

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86 responses to “Grey Aliens: Where are they from?”

  1. Aliens must be bored shitless to come to earth ,I suppose it’s like humans hanging out at the sewage treatment plant ! I love them ,really want a ride in one of those spaceships !!

  2. I think from the Orion nebula somewhere. And i know one thing for shore if they really exist: They are smarter then our race.

  3. I think they are Humans traveling back from the end of time to specific points in there history. they are us from the future superior advanced humans that can travel through space and time. But look grey in appearance because of our current pollution of earth this is what we evolve into Clever Big headed grey humans

    • Temporal laws can’t allow forwards travel into unknown set events.however backwards travel is allowed as events have already been established.history can be viewed but can’t be altered by personal interaction.jack time laws is summit I love.

  4. Ourself. From the destroyed future. Sent back to try and change us. We would be able to breed with them if we were’nt closely related .they have no real power over us or they would have just changed us instantly. They can only watch and interact with the govermant and hope to save a few when the big ending comes.

  5. An artificial planet with an automated ecosystem underground, held in a fixed point in time and space neither existing or non existing, powered by the forces of 4 black holes stuck in a perpetual loop, But least the wifi is good 😀

  6. You’d think from Mars but they’re probably from Earth they’re a genetic experiment by larger Aliens living below the surface in cohoots with our shadow government and has been here longer then humans

  7. First you have to prove they exist. You can’t, cuz they don’t. So if they don’t exist, or there is no proof of their existence, then it stands to reason they don’t have a home address, except in people’s imaginations. Until a body is presented in a museum for folks to ogle and study, you are pissing in the wind.

    I know many of you will argue ” But they are real, muh friend was butt probed’….bullshit. Prove it. No proof, then it is fictional…like unicorns. ZERO EVIDENCE.

    • That is what is called, anecdotal evidence…and yet you still cannot prove it. Where is the bodies of one of these Greys? Again…I say PROVE IT! You cannot

    • For all we know, Phil Schneider could have been killed for an outstanding bet to a mafia bookie he didn’t pay, or for fucking someone else’s wife. Those are more plausible examples of why he was killed than aliens …of which there is ZERO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE OF!!!

    • You don’t know if they don’t exist do you have evidence proving they do not exist well if you don’t then you’re just spewing propaganda which is just your belief that they don’t exist so just as you say someone needs proof to prove the existence of extraterrestrial life you sir don’t have any evidence that they don’t exist

    • The universe is a big place and I’m sure you do not have the equipment to prove that there’s no advanced life-forms in the universe do you know what the government is hiding from us if they’re hiding anything at all it’s all in what you believe and it’s okay if you don’t believe but don’t tell other people they don’t exist unless you have proof they don’t exist

    • I will say exactly what is on my mind. Who are you to try to silence me, or suppress my opinion, which is based on logic and the FACT that no greys have ever been presented as evidence? I never once said life didn’t exist elsewhere in the universe, as it is much too large for there to be no possibility of life. However, the chance that other life forms have the math, the energy source, and the desire to come all the way to this back water, out of the way planet among literally BILLIONS is quite a small chance. so small in fact that it might as well be nil mathematically. Again…you or no one else has even the most minuscule shred of proof, nothing at all, just stories which anyone can make up, just like any other work of fiction, conjecture, hearsay, anecdotes, but nothing else. No DNA, no flesh samples, no nothing. All the fairy tales in the world are just that, fairy tales until someone somewhere can present concrete proof, I will not only remain skeptical, but voice it too, no matter who doesn’t like it.

    • There is more evidence for Bigfoot than greys, just sayin. All that you said in an attempt to check me and silence, and still no evidence presented. You are arguing and defending something that is indefensible simply for lack of evidence. Your argument wouldn’t hold up in either a court of law, or in the scientific community because both rely on facts and evidence, Check and mate

    • Phil schneider was a fraud, do some research. All his speeches had holes in and somethings he said contradicted other bits so i looked him up. He was mentally unwell and a self harmer, everything he said was fabricated and all his wounds were self inflicted. I’m a believer in ETs but not one word of what Phil said was true

    • Just because something hasn’t been concretely proven that doesn’t mean it can’t exist. There was a time when people believed the universe revolved around us ya know? And some believed it didn’t, and the ones who didn’t want their way of thinking challenged acted as you do now. Is your head up your ass for the warmth?

    • And the guy is right man. If you have no proof that they DO NOT exist you are simply trying to force your views on other people. Why are you even reading stuff from this page if you are so small minded anyway. Obviously you can’t handle that things may be different than you believe.

    • Linke Hake there is plenty of evidence but obviously you haven’t done your research to find it have you so again there you go spewing your propaganda you think there’s no evidence and you haven’t even done the research you truly have no idea what you’re talking about

    • Is it evidence that will hold up in the scientific community? Is it being reviewed by any biology or physics or anthropological departments and papers being published on the findings? No? Then no dude, there is no evidence. Until such evidence exists, I will remain skeptical.

      Research what….youtube videos and conspiracy theory channels ? still not presenting evidence that holds up in either a court or in the scientific community.

    • The scientific Community changes its models all the time I’m just curious what it’s like to be close-minded if you really want to learn something read a book from Richard C Hoagland Stanton Friedman maybe you’ll find it evidence if you can open your mind a little bit

    • I am not trying to FORCE my views on anyone Coulten, but this dude actually had the fucking gall to try to silence me, on my opinion, which is based on logic and evidence presented, which is NONE, which I am freely allowed to not only have, but express as free speech is a thing. You don’t have to like it. You can even hold onto your religion of grey aliens, no one is stopping you, I am simply calling Bollocks on something that showed up in my feed. Now if you want to speak up for the cult of the grey, that is fine, I will respect your right to your religion the same as I would a Christian or any other. I however, will not fucking be silenced, and i will not be converted to your cult of faith based pseudo science because I rely on facts and logic, evidence, not flights of fancy based off urban legends and anecdotal evidence. Kindly fuck off if you don’t like my opinion.

    • And you keep evading the fact that you have no evidence to the contrary. In order for science to say something does NOT exist there is proof required. The exploration of possibilities is what drives us. So again….IS YOUR HEAD UP YOUR ASS FOR THE WARMTH?

    • The fact that there is no evidence that greys are here IS the evidence! Duh. Logic evades you. That is like trying to prove or disprove God. You can’t. No evidence…so in the view of most folks, god isn’t real, hence atheism. There is no evidence they exist which means they don’t fucking exist. Do you see evidence of Smurfs? Do they exist? Talk about head up ass…

    • The world is indeed round, i can actually do the math to prove that, I am a mechanical engineer, your are dealing in a mind that deals in absolutes, you have no absolutes, in fact, the liberal mind rejects absolutes. All that you have said still lacks anything using facts, figures, data, science that is reproduce able, but let me give you some facts. Fact…the universe is huge. 14 billion light years, give or take a few. There are billions of galaxies. Each galaxy has billions of stars. most stars have multiple planets, so literally trillions of planets. So…say by some rather small mathematically probable chance, life which evolved enough in the universe to have advanced physics, first manages to survive destroying themselves….manages to do the math needed for space travel. There is a constant speed limit, the limit of light. so if this civilization is say, 10,000 light years from us, it takes them 10.000 years to get here at light speed. Doing so requires a very long life span, infinite energy to move infinite mass because the energy needed to move shit at light speed in in-fucking-comprehensible, as the faster you go, the more mass you incur…it is called physics. So a long life span having ,infinite mass, infinite energy having species strikes out, and out of all the trillions of planets out there, they pick Earth? a small lil spot out of the way of everything sitting in a suburb of the galaxy? Ok, maybe they scouted us from afar before venturing out, like we do in looking for exoplanets. Fine. They still are taking a journey of 10,000 yeas to get here at light speed. Oh, and space isn’t empty. One lil spec of dust hit by an infinite mass object with infinite energy to propel the mass, would annihilate the shit…in a really big ass explosion. So every bit of science better be right, there is no gas stations 5000 light years from home, no one to rescue you and it will take 5000 years for the sos to reach home. So…massive risk, massive feats of engineering, all to come here. I’m not buying it. Say they have an alternative..FTL travel…warp. It is mathematically possible…but now you come across energy problems. Ever tried to capture a super massive black hole and contain it? You’d need that type of power to warp space time. That math has been done too. But, would someone who used all those resources and taken all those risks realistically come to a planet they scouted just to study it and its inhabitants? Likely not. When any advanced civilization encounters a lesser, the lesser is destroyed, or at least enslaved and exploited. I don’t see no slave ships. We haven’t been invaded. There are no mining craft hovering over the earth sucking the iridium, or whatever element needed out. Grabbing folks, butt probing them, and flying away so the butt probed can tell the world seems like a pretty small thing to do for such a long ass journey and massive expenditure of physics, labor, resources, and a multitude of other variables. And again…there..is…ZERO…evidence! None! Nothing physical that can be examined that establishes one way or another their existence, or lack thereof.

    • Another fact for you. If you present the “evidence” and arguments for greys to people like Sara Seager, Mikio Kachu, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, Amy Mainzer, And Stephen Hawking, as you presented in this comments section, you would get the exact same conclusion from them that you got from me……BOLLOCKS! I wonder how far these people have their heads up their asses.

    • Want to talk about mathematical probability? Ok…there are around 200-400 billion stars in a galaxy. And there are mmmm….about 100 billion galaxies in the known universe. That means about 200 billion billion stars. Let me put that into a number for you……

      200,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

      So, if most stars have at least one planet(which we now now is true)then that opens the possibility for more forms of life than you can conceive. So, unless you can transport me to another planet in another solar system or galaxy then I’m going to continue to call you a fool and a dumb-head-up-your-ass-for-the-warmth imbecile.

    • Ok…now factor in the probability that one of these planets has the math, the material, and the energy source to travel the vastness of space…again, see above comment, the top physicists and astronomers in the field would shit all over the argument you present because you have no evidence of even microbial life. Just the facts

    • Sorry guys, there just is no way to expand the world view of such a hopeless idiot. We all tried. Let’s just let him live in his comfortable bubble where he is king. Someday people like this guy will be looked back on with shame.

    • And who the hell names themselves “left hook”? What are you, a character from punch-out? And just from looking at the very first 3 seconds of your profile i could tell, quite instantly, that you are waaaay behind on your maturity. Sigh…..frickin man-child.

    • Well to make you feel better, I didn’t just dub myself left hook. step in a ring with me, see why I have been given that name by everyone in the gym where I train. That is also beside the point. Just like a liberal, when your argument lacks facts and data and is backed solely by how you FEEEEEL, which again, doesn’t hold up in the scientific community or in a court of law, you with your FEEEELZ resort to attacks on the person’s character in an attempt to both silence an opposing view you don’t like, and make your view seem superior. You failed at that too. This man child has not only forgotten more than you know in 6 languages, but will beat the brakes off you in a ring too. As stated before, present what you have presented as an argument to the above mentioned astrophysicists and see if they don’t say exactly the same as I have said. Which is, “you have no proof beyond urban legend, anecdotal evidence, and a whole lot of faith.” You are trying to defend an indefensible position because you lack anything solid, or concrete, meaning, you have no walls around your castle. It is funny how YOU, a basement dweller smoking shit tons of pot and watching Secureteam and David Wilcox videos on youtube actually think you know more than the actual science community. Where is your published, peer reviewed paper? I bet you don’t have one. You basement scientists who do not apply scientific method to anything having the delusion of grandeur to think you know more than science, argue very emotionally, yet still fail to prove a point because again, NO EVIDENCE! Present credible evidence of greys to the scientific community. bring out your paper for the world to see. Now while you are publishing your ground breaking scientific paper for biology, astrophysics, anthropology, etc to review, I will be at work doing engineer stuff like trigonometry and algebra and metallurgy and stress tests on designs. Good luck publishing your “facts” lmfao

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